Talk:Dissident Aggressor

Article assessment

I've restored the start class since while this article is relatively short, it is well beyond stub. To move a Stub-class Article up to a Start-class Article, the best way is to add in referenced reasons of why the topic is significant., Discussing its influence on the genre with reliable sources establishes that in spades. You clearly have an article that is developing, but which is somewhat incomplete. It certainly cites adequate reliable sources. For more details see WP:ASSESS. The Dissident Aggressor 23:36, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Not an issue here as assessment is entirely subjective until it reaches GA or FA levels. It is generally not good practice to assess articles you created. Request for assessment or reassessment can be done so on the project's talk page. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 00:46, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Rolling Stone as a POV source?

@Esszet: removed a description of the song from the lede as being "too POV." I've reverted the removal but would like to understand what POV The New Rolling Stone Album Guide has that is not neutral - especially in the context of this song. Toddst1 (talk) 04:52, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

It's an album guide, it has reviews and it's pretty much non-neutral by definition. Esszet (talk) 00:06, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't get it at all. What definition? Toddst1 (talk) 03:10, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

They're saying this is good and this is bad, it's subjective by definition. Esszet (talk) 14:11, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure WP:RSN would say they're a WP:Reliable source. Toddst1 (talk) 19:58, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

See WP:BIASED. Reliable doesn't necessarily mean neutral. Esszet (talk) 21:29, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

So 3 questions:

1. What is their supposed bias?
2. How does that bias (if they have one) affect whether this song is considered an "apocalyptic epic"?
3. Is there a source that says it is not an "apocalyptic epic" to balance your assertion of bias?

Toddst1 (talk) 02:19, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

1. They obviously like the song.
2. Whether or not it's an "apocalyptic epic" is a matter of opinion. It therefore should not be labeled as such right at the outset.
3. I'd have to think not everyone thinks so, but to take just one example, see here. Esszet (talk) 19:57, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

By that flawed logic, any source that likes Beethoven cannot be used as a neutral source about him. Toddst1 (talk) 22:11, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

No, "Dissident Aggressor" is an apocalyptic epic is not an objective, factual description of the song. It is Rolling Stone's descriptio of the song, and if the source is to be used, it has to be as something like "Rolling Stone decribed the song as an 'apocalyptic epic'". Surely this is not difficult to understand. Imagine Rolling Stone had described it as "the greatest song EVAR". Then we'd have:

Dissident Aggressor" is the greatest song evar by the revered British heavy metal band Judas Priest, with music by the fucking awesome K. K. Downing and Glen Tipton, and lyrics by the band's gay singer Rob Halford.

Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:49, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

That's an opinion about the song and not what the source said. The source stated a non-qualitative description of the song. I will take this to WP:NPOVN. Toddst1 (talk) 14:38, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

"Apocalyptic epic" could be a factual description of "a long narrative poem in elevated style recounting the deeds of a legendary or historical hero" "forecasting the ultimate destiny of the world" (m-w.com) but it doesn't sound like that is the case with this song. —DIYeditor (talk) 15:10, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Solo

The solo is 100% done by Downing. There is a live rendition of it on Youtube. There is no trade off solo with Tipton on this one. The cited book is wrong, that's all. Further, the song itself was written by Downing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.79.194 (talk) 19:37, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Other than WP:I-SAW-IT in one video, can you prove the book is wrong? Toddst1 (talk) 15:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)